Letters Patent or noble tenure

updated: 27-11-2011.

Artwork by Andrea Sacco Baldacchino Cascun.

 

 

Title: Principe de Sayd            

 

Created: November 1492

 

To: Principe Pierre Mehmed Sayd of the Ottoman Empire

 

By: Pope Alexander VI Borgia

 

Remainder: Singularly to all the descendants of Principe Mehmed Sayd in the male primogenial line born in the Christian faith. According to the Letters Patent, only those born within the marriage in the Church of Rome and within the vows of marriage to ensure that true christian lineage continues from the legacy given to a friend and convert to the Church of Rome. This applies to the Prince Djem's son Pierre Mehmed and his descendants in the order of Primogeniture.

Further, the Church of Rome extends its ruling that if a child is born before one's parents marriage and is baptised will not be entitled to succeed. Pope Alexander VI clearly marked this in the letter's patent dated November 1492. To continue the lineal line of senior descent of Principe Djem Ottomani according to the orginal conversion acts set by Pope Alexander VI upon acceptance of onto the Church of Rome.

It is very clear that no descendants can style Prince or Princess due to the christian faith conversion over the generations, hence the exclusion from the Ottoman line of succession. This was also noted in a letter from the late HIH, Osman V, 43rd Head of the house of Osman.

 

No further applications to extend or change the original patent in Rome, today any future changes must only be accepted by the papacy only.

 

Present Holder: Principe Giuseppe Said, 17th Principe de Sayd         

 

 Present male-to-male descendants can style:  “dei Principe Said” within two generations of the head of the house, with dispensation to those aquiring style for personal use. At no time can any descendant style Principe or Principessa.

 

- Genealogy press here.

 

1.  Prince Pierre Mehmed Sayd of the Ottoman Empire, 1st Prince de Sayd., died 1522 Rhodes Island. succeeded by eldest son.

2.  Prince Oshin Pierre Sayd, 2nd Prince de Sayd, died 1594 Naples, succeeded by eldest son.

3.  Prince Oshin Pierre II Sayd, 3rd Prince de Sayd, died 1600 Naples, succeeded by eldest brother.

4.  Prince John Battista Sayd, 4th Prince de Sayd, 1st Prince di Bibino Magno., died 1602 Sicily, succeeded by eldest son.

5.  Prince Oshin III Carlo Sayd, 5th Prince de Sayd, 2nd Prince di Bibino Magno, died 1653 Mdina Malta,  succeeded by eldest son.

6.  Prince Jean Pierre Sayd, 6th Prince de Sayd, 3rd Prince di Bibino Magno, died 1671 Sicily, succeeded by brother.

7.  Prince Oshin IV Jerome Sayd, 7th Prince de Sayd, 4th Prince di Bibino Magno, died 1679 Rome, succeeded by Ist Cousin.

8.  Prince Pierre Djem Sayd Ruffo, 8th Prince de Sayd, died 1683 Palermo Sicily, succeeded by 2nd Cousin once removed.

 

* "Never obtain recognition from the Grand Master of Malta or the King of Sicily, so it was pretense style only"

 

9.  Don Salvatore Sayd, 9th Prince de Sayd, died 1699 Santi Malta, succeeded by eldest son.

10. Don Simone Sayd, 10th Prince de Sayd, 6th Prince di Bibino Magno, died at Santi, Malta, succeeded by eldest son.

11. Don Lorenzo Sayd, 11th Prince de Sayd, 7th Prince di Bibino Magno, died at Santi, Malta, succeeded by Eldest Son.

12. Don Giovanni Maria Said, 12th Prince de Sayd, 8th Prince di Bibino Magno, Executed by Napoleon 1799, succeeded by eldest son.

13. Don Salvatore II Said, 13th Prince de Sayd, 9th Prince di Bibino Magno, died at Santi, Malta, succeeded by eldest son.

14. Don Giovanni Maria Said, 14th Prince de Sayd, 10th Prince di Bibino Magno, died 1907 Santi, Malta, succeeded by Eldest legitimate son.

15. Conte Francesco Saverio Said, 15th Prince de Sayd, 11th Prince di Bibino Magno, died 1956 Santi, Malta, succeeded by Eldest legitimate Son.

(15) (illegitimate Line) Conte Salvatore Said, De-Jure 15th Prince de Sayd, De-Jure Prince of Bibino Magno, died 1923 Cairo, Egypt, succeeded by his eldest son.

(16) (illegitimate Line) Conte Enrico Said, De-Jure 16th Prince de Sayd, De -Jure Prince of Bibino Magno, died 1944 Paris, France, succeeded by his eldest son.

(17) (illegitimate Line) Conte Salvatore Said, De-Jure 17th Prince de Sayd, De-Jure Prince of Bibino Magno, died 1945 Paris, France, succeeded by his Uncle.

(18) (illegitimate Line) Conte Riccardo Said, De-Jure 18th Prince de Sayd, De-Jure Prince of Bibino Magno, died 1952 Paris, France, succeeded by his son.

(19) (illegitimate Line) Conte Louis Said, De-Jure 19th Prince de Sayd, De-Jure Prince of Bibino Magno, died 1991, Paris, France, succeeded by his son.

(20) (illegitimate Line) Conte Ricard Said, De-Jure 20th and Last Prince de Sayd, De-Jure Prince of Bibino Magno, died 2010, Paris, France. His line is extinct.

16, Conte Carmelo Said, 16th Prince de Sayd, 12th Prince di Bibino Magno, died 1973 Mgarr Malta, succeeded by eldest son.

17. Conte Giuseppe Said, 17th Prince de Sayd, 13th Prince di Bibino Magno, (born 1949-.

 

 

 

 

 

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